Funny thing, Steve... you say so, but a whole bunch of people say otherwise. You know, His disciples, a bunch of prophets, and even His enemies. When your enemies claim that you've declared yourself God, or equal to God, you can bet that there's no conspiracy to promote a dude to divinity. They were convinced, even if you aren't.
You make a claim with no veracity. It’s ok to give an opinion, but as Christians, we are not living on opinions, but facts. The fact is, Jesus has the same God as we do.
Yes, Jesus has the same God we do. He is a man. At the same time, John tells us that He is God. Jesus claimed to be I AM over and over, including claiming to have existed before Abraham. Jesus' enemies believed that He claimed equality with God. Yes, Thomas did call Jesus God... and you either believe Thomas or you believe that that party of the New Testament is simply wrong.
I don't need to defend my position, Steve. It's the same position held by Jesus' followers from the first century to this one. As you hold the minority position - and as you keep sniping at me about it - it's incumbent upon you to substantiate your position. Feel free to try.
How do you justify your claim of Jesus being God when the same Jesus has a God - the same God as all other humans?
The Bible never declares Jesus’ divinity.
Funny thing, Steve... you say so, but a whole bunch of people say otherwise. You know, His disciples, a bunch of prophets, and even His enemies. When your enemies claim that you've declared yourself God, or equal to God, you can bet that there's no conspiracy to promote a dude to divinity. They were convinced, even if you aren't.
What? So is that your defence - ‘cause everyone says it? That’s not even true. Which disciple or prophet or Apostle declares Jesus is God?
Even if you could find one, you’re still faced with a contradiction as Jesus has the same God, so he cannot be his own God.
Oh, apart from Thomas, lol!
Hahahaaa... it's not a defense, Steve. It's reply. If you want to pretend, feel free.
You make a claim with no veracity. It’s ok to give an opinion, but as Christians, we are not living on opinions, but facts. The fact is, Jesus has the same God as we do.
Yes, Jesus has the same God we do. He is a man. At the same time, John tells us that He is God. Jesus claimed to be I AM over and over, including claiming to have existed before Abraham. Jesus' enemies believed that He claimed equality with God. Yes, Thomas did call Jesus God... and you either believe Thomas or you believe that that party of the New Testament is simply wrong.
I don't need to defend my position, Steve. It's the same position held by Jesus' followers from the first century to this one. As you hold the minority position - and as you keep sniping at me about it - it's incumbent upon you to substantiate your position. Feel free to try.
Jesus still has the same God. Exalted and glorified he still has the same God. The I am
is an inference. Opinion not fact. No one says he existed before Abraham - inference based on before, no facts. What before means explained elsewhere.
Claiming everyone says this is a typical response when the dozen or so prooftexts run out.
No biblical verse describes an incarnation, Jesus having ‘dual natures’, being ‘co-equal’, ‘eternally begotten’, ‘one substance’ or a ‘God the Son’.
All fabricated from imagination and mythology.
John never says Jesus is God. Point out the verse you are thinking of.